Satire is Dead (and We Have Killed It)
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I am glad to learn about this “satire” thing. I am about half way through a case of pepsi and it taste pretty bad. I thought it would make me smarter like James but now that I see it is “satire” the joke is on me. I guess I will just use it to remove the tarnish off this copper lamp I have. Thank God this is a joke, why would anyone drink this crap?
It’s also useful for cleaning the toilet.
Don’t worry James, it’s just that with so many people now actually looking into the world, and being overloaded, it confuses them. I couldn’t help but laugh when you mentioned the Duffle Bag. I remember when they caught a certain “royal” member of the alt-media for a moment. I personally found the Onion’s skit on the killer robot spiders, which was the first story by them I had ever seen, one of the finest example of journalism to date. Of course, this is comparing it to CNN, FOX, etc. JimBob who thinks the mainstream news ought to have satire flashing over everything they say since no one can take them seriously anyway.
I’m not having any luck cleaning my toilet with Pepsi… Maybe I should let it sit longer?
You need to apply some elbow grease, I’d wager. If it can strip rust, it ought to be able to remove remains of human droppings.
In the spirit of miscommunication due to “not getting” certain kinds of humor, I submit:
The Kids in the Hall – Sarcastic Guy sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke5BKi2uBpU
I’m SOOOOOO lonely! That was hilarious. Thanks, JimBob who likes to mingle by his-self in the corner as well.
It’s a good thing there is no satire on this comment thread.
It’s not good for my hernia.
I just returned from the grocery store. But Pepsi wasn’t on the “cleaning products” aisle.
I have found that Coca Cola does a much better job of removing rust, (and toilet bowl stains), than Pepsi Cola.
Although I rarely ever consume soda pop, on occasion I can force some Coke down if I add enough Rum to kill off the “Soda Germs”.
I refuse to purchase any products of the Pepsi Cola Company, what-so-ever. I started boycotting all Pepsi products in 1984, the same as McDonald’s and numerous other corporations.
You can also use Coke for removing the corrosion from your car battery terminals. Don’t add the Rum for this purpose though, that would just be wasteful.
It’d probably be safer to market it as a cleaning product instead of … “food”, if that would be a correct term for these beverages.
My town used to host a beverage manufacturing factory, back in the day, and guys working there told me that they used to make these soda drinks from a single 50 liter barrel of concentrate, two shifts worth. Of course the barrel was adorned with a sizable number of chemical burn warning tags and the person working with it had to wear a hazmat suit.
How the hell can a product like that be classified as “food”?
I’ve never understood why they always mislabel the cleaning section as the beverage section. I guess you just can’t get good help anymore. JimBob who ain’t considered to be good help either.
92! The ascension is near!
We’ll miss you! (irrespectully of course) But maybe you should put your wingsuit back on again?? Just in case??
But I can fly! Just watch me outdo Art Linkletter’s daughter. JimBob who thinks Bill Hicks had it right when he said start on the ground and then go up as the other way don’t work so good.
Excuse me, MBP, could you scoot over just a bit? I wanna reach over and touch the hem of his comment box before he ascends.
I’m next in line.
Have you noticed any changes in the skin tone of your fingers??
It’s rather hard to see them anymore. I am too far too advanced for that! JimBob who knows that he will upload his consciousness to that big AI in the sky soon.
I’m sure You Shot Santa, that you are now way too Evolved for fingers. I was curious as to the transformation of Corbett vice-Buddah, HRS, as seen through his…? (He’s at the critical “33” stage)
But while I may still benefit from the grace of your attention I’ll just ask in passing:
does it hurt??
Yes, HRS is on par with Albert Pike right now. As for my pain, what is that? I am moving beyond those measly constructs. JimBob who plans on being the most grammatically incorrect conscious upload in that big AI in the sky (right under the glass so I can watch the earth in all it’s magnificent flatness)
Oh! Yea!! Of course!! Sure Pearl! uhh… Let me just…errr… I’ll just…
??
Is that any better??
and uh, careful with your candle wax there. I mean it’s a nice gesture, I’m sure He Shot Santa appreciates it but it kept dripping on my comment below, punching up caps, displacing letters and generally making it illegible… I mean it was funny when I submitted it. Now it just looks hysterical…
just sayin’…
Oops, yes much better…sorry about stepping on your toes there.
Goodness gracious! You’d think I’d’ve learned with the dripping candle wax. My fellow moonies keep telling me that LED candles are the way to go. [Alexa, remind me next time I log onto Amazon]
You should all hurry. The beginning is nigh! Also, I have to go and heal some dead guy before he starts stinking up the joint. JimBob who should probably look up the word nigh one day, but prefers to not have too much knowledge as it weighs down his increasingly translucent body.
I’m sorry to rain on everyone’s parade yet again but
like, has anyone else noticed that EVERY TIME we want to make a strong argument, OK!! SATIRE IS DEAD!! I mean SO WHAT??? SERIOUSLY?? I say GOOD RIDDANCE!! but EVERY TIME we want to really MARK and MANIPULATE people’s subconscious, and dare I say SELL something,
We ALWAYS! WITHOUT EXCEPTION! have to USE A SEXY WOMAN’S BODY!!!
I’m sorry, but ONCE AGAIN we’re subjected to the habitual plunging V yet BARE NECKLINE, the classic PARTED LIPS, the vacant yet AMBIGUOUS EXPRESSION IN THE EYES…
as if WOMEN were just SEX OBJECTS, a brainless body and orifices WITH NO head on their shoulders all all, I mean, Honestly! I never thought I’d say this but, You’re demeaning yourself Mr Corbett!
I’m really disappointed, flabbergasted even, that the Corbett Report would stoop this low, OBJECTIFYING a woman’s body just to make some politically correct point that frankly, I don’t even really get.
I don’t know. After all these years…I think I’ll just go play Pokemon Go…
Yes you used satire for your 9/11 short video,
but the irony there is that you were basically just using the official government story about what happened that day!
Their story as most of us know is so absurd that it becomes instant satire if presented in the manner you did, as if it was based upon facts.
Was this just one huge coincidence James or were you actually influenced in some way by this German initiative?
“German government agency launches satire news siteâ€
http://www.dw.com/en/german-government-agency-launches-satire-news-site/a-44403388
I mean “clips presented on the site suggest that the 9/11 attacks were staged by the US government”… really?
Hmmmm… sounds eerily familiar. 🙂
They work by presenting popular conspiracy theories and changing them in small details or exaggerating them.
After several websites apparently fell for that stuff they made their hoax known to compromise these sites. Personally, I hadn’t heard of them until this moment.
This is something a media agency thought up, similar to the incubator lies in US congress.
In other words: Nothing new under the sun, except for the usual heavy handed German humor.
What was their target?
They claim that the alt-right media uses (popular) conspiracy theories like 9/11 to catch unsuspecting people and turn them with these somehow into “neo-nazi sympathizers”.
So they target two groups: The alternative media and people suspecting that not everything their government says is true.
James’ website for example would be classified as a fake news site, perhaps even as alt-right – even though nothing could be farther from the truth.
Yes that was my take on them as well.
I just thought it was a strange coincidence that James would do a piece on satire and just a few days earlier the German government had launched a video series on satires of conspiracy theories.
And quite a pathetic attempt at satire at best.
Here are some precious gems (facts) from their 9/11 satire:
“The fact that Osama bin Laden and the terrorist organization al-Qaida have repeatedly made known about the terrorist attacks, does not matter to them.”
“And it’s true: Aircraft kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt steel. But very hot enough that steel beams deform under thousands of tons of load – until they finally buckle. A fate shared by the towers and the “7 World Trade Center”, as this, too, was weakened too much by internal fires to withstand.”
And this last gem shows how they smear truthers with
the ol’ ‘mix in the ludicrous with the truth’ technique.
“Particularly insane, even among conspiracy theorists, is the so-called no-plane theory. As the name implies, the supporters of this theory are convinced that no planes flew into the World Trade Center. But where did the countless shots of the passenger aircraft come from? Manipulated by the media. The countless eyewitness accounts? Secret agents of the US authorities. According to the No-Planes theory, the buildings were blown up. Of Reptiloiden, Illuminati or Freemasons – the imagination of “Truthers” has no boundaries. It is clear to them: some secret power has deceived us all.”
Check out the videos (in German, with text) but be prepared.
It was very difficult to stomach.
> It was very difficult to stomach.
I watched only a tiny bit but decided that I have better things to do with my time.
This whole nonsense (“no planes” “reptiloids from Saturn ruling us” etc.) is exactly what I call “Beschäftigungstherapie” (occupational therapy):
They try to make people waste their time by watching this stuff over and over, most likely with a “messiah” to follow because he comes from the mountain and tells them the truth.
And when people begin to parrot this stuff they can be smeared and discredited. Which is exactly what happened in this particular case.
I’d be more than happy to read stuff about 9/11 but anybody proposing “holographic projections”, “edited video footage on all TV stations” or even “energy weapons” and other “secret technology” that could have come from aliens is way out of my scope.
People need to understand that if a secret agency kills 3000+ Americans in the WTC plus hundreds or thousands dying of lung cancer because of Asbestos inhalation then the “few” on board the planes don’t matter a single bit.
In my opinion the simplest solution are often the best: They fail seldomly and with a project like 9/11 – that can’t fail at all! – which took years to plan and prepare they will often have opted for the simpler option.
“holographic projectionsâ€, “edited video footage on all TV stations†or even “energy weapons†and other “secret technology†that could have come from aliens
You are doing quite a disservice to the issue by mashing these topics together. There is a very substantial leap from video editing to secret alien technology, in a way you’re doing the same what they are doing, probably without even realizing it.
I don’t know much about holographic projections and energy weapons, but I wouldn’t be so quick to discount them as the military is obviously a generation or two ahead in technology from what we can see in the consumerist world. Not to be too pushy on the subject, but it’s very obvious why the military would like having this type of technology. Energy weapons are probably leaps ahead of the holographic projection since they’d probably require substantial amounts of energy to operate and who knows what else.
Example of a holographic projection.
youtube.com/watch?v=BgXOUHuHCtM
A smaller plane casting the projection, building explodes and none would be the wiser. How hard would that be to pull off?
Regarding the “edited video footage on all TV stations†aspect, how many independent sources of this footage are there? How many “just in time” shots of a plane getting ready to hit the building could there be?
My main point of contention here is that there are way too many inconsistencies and that was probably intentionally done in such a fashion.
I’m talking about “artifacts” on the video recordings with disappearing wings or weird blobs which are supposed to be planes. There’s a number of oddities on much of the footage available.
I’m talking about no (plane) debris plane crashes and penetrations.
I’m talking about people who don’t react to low altitude plane flight in a very unusual area (which is very noisy to say the least) but do react to the explosion following the impact.
I’m personally leaning toward a plane shaped missile, since that’s probably the easiest thing to pull off, while these video artifacts have been thrown into the mix to distract people and cause cognitive dissonance.
Another hologram example from a Ted talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQbMP3I5Sk
if you control the choke points, like media, government agencies, etc.; you don’t have to be competent. Which is a good thing for the government as they are decidedly not competent. JimBob who is sure about government being stupid.
At least the government is competently redistributing the tax payer’s wealth to the 0.01%, isn’t it?
“Choke point” – that is exactly what the corporate media is – and has been.
Compare with Henry Luce of Time Magazine in 1963 and his willingness to suppress the Zapruder movie (tampered with or not – he probably didn’t even know or care).
I guess now we know what Weird Al Yankovic or Matt Groening must go through.
…And I would also personally argue, in a day and age when everything has become serious and censored, the right to parody is an artistic human right. So don’t give up on the satire, James, I personally thought your piece was hilarious and I shared the hell out of it. It sounds preachy, but it’s true: The world needs Weird Al now more than ever.
Yes. Just eat it was one of the finest works of art to have ever been produced. JimBob who has owned several of his cassette tapes but doesn’t really remember many of the songs anymore.
Hi James, I come from a city where humor (called black humor) is of the essence (although starting to disappear with millennials tailored by Nickleodeon, Hollywood et al…). I really don’t know why you bothered to explain your great humor and satire! Justo keep on entertaining us!! Cheers!
I thought the robot’s name was “Satire”, anyway I heard Elon Musk is trying to merge with it.
While you mention Musk and satire in the same sentence:
Did you know that he nowadays produces his electric cars in a tent?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-27/startling-drone-footage-teslas-model-3-tent-reveals-stone-age-auto-manufacturing
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFB-l52Ag2Q&feature=youtu.be
They call that the “stone age of car manufacturing”.
And, fittingly, at 2:40 in the video it appears as if a person throws a stone or a small rock at the drone!
Cavemen!
Analysts at Bernstein are equally unimpressed. Here is a quote from Max Warburton who benchmarked auto assembly plants before his job as a financial analyst: “Words fail me. It’s insanity.”
The question remains: Do we really *need* satire anymore?
😉
Actually, what he is doing isn’t a bad idea. Like he said, it’s a temporary thing while he is getting the perm. factory built. What he is doing is what he can with what he has at the moment. This is how successful people do anything. Now can he live up to his word? Don’t know. But I never knock anyone for doing all they can. And no, I’m not a Musk fan. JimBob who is only a fan of fans as this is fluorida and the humidity is higher than the heat. And don’t forget! It’s the humidity that will get ya.
I don’t know. I can imagine there is sand and stuff, perhaps even insects gettings into the crevices, laying eggs and whatnot.
Could be an advantage when the sand helps tightening those nuts etc.
But perhaps hospitals should get operating rooms into tents again, too – just like in ‘nam.
I mean what worked there should work in Seattle or Boston, right? 😉
All of that stuff has been in every factory building I’ve ever worked in. Which is more than I want to remember. As for hospitals…… Those places are the most dangerous buildings to go into in the whole world. JimBob who ain’t visiting no one if they go into the hospital. They should know better if they were his friend anyway.
“Those places are the most dangerous buildings to go into in the whole world.”
You are definitely right about that one.
Even if the US military does not blow the whole hospital up the germs will get you!
😉
Reminds me of the EV1. Quora says GM killed the EV1 for the following reason:
“After 3 years of real-world testing of the EV1, GM could not foresee a reasonable return on their investment in electric cars. The expected advancements in battery technology did not materialize.”…
but according to the documentary “who killed the electric car” (I think that’s the one I saw) they absolutely forced anyone, even the most enthousiastic owners who’d set up their battery system and absolutely wanted to keep theirs to turn it in and then they proceeded to destroy them. The cars, not the owners…
What could possibly explain that?
Musk says he started making the Tesla following this incident.
You don’t think GM was forced or paid to destroy every single EV1 so neural-lace Musk could have the monopoly, do you? Despite what he might’ve said about it?
With a side effect of also buying time for the Petrol lobby?
I’m excited about Mars and rockets that can take off and land an’ all but… this EV1 thing is odd… and now Tesla steals the limelight with its otherwise ultra high profile owner… set up to be sainted… and the rest of us neural laced…
…?
I don’t really see that as anything more than what he said. I think he’s sincere. I don’t agree with him on much, but that’s not unusual. He believes in subsidies, I don’t. But I can’t fault him for doing what it takes to get things done. That’s what you have to do in anything. I do know that John Rappaport has a lot to say about patents being suppressed:
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/06/28/five-thousand-inventions-under-secrecy-at-us-patent-office-space-force/#respond
Fair enough! Thanks for the link! Love this chat format! Maybe it’s a by-product of your imminent omnipresence which is a logical consequence of your preliminary omniscience!
Ok! Read the article! Ayn Rand would write a book about it!! Oh!! Right! She actually did!
We are moving into her Atlas Shrugged. Though I don’t think it will turn out like that did. Only the media wants the war. JimBob who does think that manbearpig’s pic is pretty sexy.
Only the media wants the war??
Ooof, I’m feeling particularly abnormal just right now…
I’m sure I’ll understand it all tomorrow…
patience comrade, we’re not all blessed with 92…
only the media wants the war… the media, the war… wants… the media… sleep… on it…
Well, the media and the elements which control it. I think there is a big purge coming up and they aren’t going to like it. JimBob who figures if the Q things are coming pretty much straight out of the WH, then when they say people up high are going to GITMO, one might better listen.
Ahhhh! “Only the media wants war” from a Trumpian point of view! I understand better now! Silly me. I was simply exhausted and incoherent a few hours ago. Now I’m more exhausted and more coherent. I think…
Don’t ya think Trump’s actually doin’ ok with the media and maybe even that that antagonism too is an illusion, a mirage of a windmill, a red herring or ‘powder in ze eyes’ as ze French would say…?
Well if POTUS’ purge is anything like his buddy Bin Salman’s, should be pretty spectacular! Can you see Mika Brzezinski taken hostage, holed up and extorted in the Mandalay Bay hotel?
How will our sovereign attract all those corrupt journalists to Vegas?…hmmmmmm…
Maybe he’ll get Musk to do a futuristic conference about how neural lace improves sexual performance while exposing Las Vegas’ plan to rival NEOM??
oh la laaaaaa, I’m late again…pffffff
Actually, I’ve thought a lot about that cooperation between the media and Trump and have decided against it. They simply aren’t working in a manner for that. They have lost the narrative. I think the article that Pearl posted by John Rappaport does an excellent job of explaining Trump. There is a division in our government like we haven’t seen since Andrew Jackson was up there to kill the banksters. He’s a nationalist. He wants trade, and he doesn’t care what sort of trade it is that he is doing. Example: Yemen is a merc op, but it’s trade. We are, in effect, in the middle of a sea change. I’m not saying I’m a Trump fan, as I’m not. But I don’t think he’s of the standard mode. I also think they actually will start putting people in prison. The ones at the top are starting to go now. JimBob who can deal with a nationalist a lot better than a globalist.
That was weird. I typed out a comment and then it just didn’t post. Anyway, I think that you are assuming a unified front. That is not happening in my opinion. I think that the article Pearl had posted from John Rappaport on Trump explains him pretty good. He’s a nationalist (America first hell yeah, type) and a believer in trade. I don’t think he cares how that trade is done, as long as it’s what he considers a good deal for America. When I look at this government I see it divided as much as it was during Andrew Jackson’s term (Not like with the tyrant Lincoln who didn’t have a divided government so much as a war against a separate government, since the Constitution was a contract between states and not a true unification of them). The media is on the side of the left, while Trump is just on the side of trade. Most of the chaos we are seeing is really just the death spasms of the democratic party. Long may it rot. While I am not a fan of nationalism, I can deal with that a lot better than I can globalism. We are seeing a sea change in our politics and it’s pretty nice. It’s also an excellent opportunity for us to make government even more accountable. And people are doing just that. JimBob who is enjoying the panic in that silly swamp town, while he is chilling in a real swamp town in Fluorida.
You can’t blame them though….I entered “Satire” in the dictionary and it says “Representative Government”
Comedy has ALWAYS been an extremely powerful conditioning tool used by TPTSB to tell us what we “think”. All the cool kids are laughing at X; therefore, we KNOW that X is laughable, absurd, unacceptable, wrong.
Saturday Night Live
The Daily Show
The Colbert Report
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
ad nauseum:
The fear of ridicule is powerful. Peer pressure, herd mentality…. the need to make damned sure you properly identify the majority who are pointing and laughing and join in so as not to be on the receiving end.
YEs. Whenever I decide to engage in a flame war on youboob, I make sure I trigger them with lots of profanity (I have a doctorate in vulgarism from 3 universities: fleet saillor, paratrooper, redneck). When they then claim I’m an angry man, I keep reminding them I’m laughing at them until they finally figure it out and leave. I know it’s childish, but I never said I was mature. JimBob who is even know chumming the waters on Minds for trolls with his anti-GMO posts just one after the other.
I haven’t had a TV since 1998. 20 years later (i.e. today) when I encounter a TV I struggle to distinguish programs from advertising from news from talk shows from infomercials. It all looks the same. Irony? Satire? Hyperbole? Picking yellow kernels of corn out of a steaming pile of shit? Waste of time?
James, have you considered using a laugh track to alert us to humour? Thinking is too hard.
“James, have you considered using a laugh track to alert us to humour?”
Great idea! And be sure to get the one with that weird cat meow. (Please don’t tell me I’m the only one who heard that; I don’t think I could take another one of those laurel/yanny/white-gold/blue-black dress blows)
No, but now that you mention it, as I was listening to this satire video I could here these really ultra low tones as if there were an entity echoing in real time Mr Corbett’s voice, saying exactly the same thing at exactly the same time.
?
or maybe it’s the sinusitis…
Of the entire world wide web, I found only two ancient threads dedicated to identifying that very specific, irritating sound. One included a soundfile from a MASH episode that my aging ears struggled to hear, but there it was! Apparently it was common on MASH, Andy Griffith, Mary Tyler Moore, and many other laugh tracks from the 60s/70s.
So, I’m not crazy! Well, yes, I am. But not on this one.
Nah Pearl, you’re not crazy. You’re an abnormie, that’s all. But I’m afraid it’s a permanent condition…
That actually explains a lot. 🙂
Actually pearl, I think every human is crazy. Just in a different way. JimBob who just likes to stir things up a few more times before he ascends into that great Alexis in the sky.
Your wry sense of humour has always been very apparent James. It’s an essential part of commentary on this dark world.
Very difficult to guard against abject stupidity since itoften goes hand in hand with our current postmodern left-liberalism (not least poe-faced Christian fundamentalism) which is utterly devoid of irony and satire.
Getting the message across with humour has always been the way to go. Similarly, there will always be morons who won’t get anything but their self-importance.
Don’t despair. Just the nature of our idiocracy.
Satire is NOT dead, the problem is hasbara trolls now dominate the internet. Zionism is the world’s greatest threat, and behind every anti social meme like BLM, transgender, radical feminism, the killing of JFK and on and on. The idea that this only effects foreign policy is Ludicrous. They are everywhere on the web, overtly and covertly manipulating discussion, and limiting it.
And yet, the majority of the trolls on the internet are not trolls by political or economic reasons. They are really just that stupid. It is sometimes hard to comprehend the level of stupidity in many people. JimBob who always lets the mean-spirited trolls know that they can just move away from him.
flash break:
just keep forgetting to mention that I kinda do take issue with the epithet “the normies”…
just ’cause it sorta makes me out to be “an abnormie”… I guess… in a binary sort of way…
could never come to grips with that…
feels like you can never go back and make friends again… or that things will never be the same again…colossal bridges burned, railways ripped up… mega smart cities shut down… uh… what was the …?
anyhow…
hamsterwheel calling…
If you are superior, you are abnormal. Just a fact. Now, I must go and polish my aura. It is just so shiny! JimBob who just bought a gallon of that famous Turtle Wax Aura Polish to keep things nice.
Okaaaaay… but…um.. if you’re abnormal… does that necessarily make you superior?? Cause I have absolutely no other reason to believe in my superiority, quite the contrary in fact… unless it comes de facto with abnormality…? And if I have to be abnormal, I’d just as soon be superior too… If possible… Have you tried Pepsi on that aura? Should be as good as sand paper?
Whenever I ask myself that question; I just turn on the tv news and listen to them for a minute. I do this on the net because I don’t own a tv. The answer comes fairly quick after that. JimBob who worries whenever he thinks he’s superior because that sets the bar pretty low.
James: keep up the good work. Satire is not for everyone. As they say (or as I hear around this part of the world): humor is a sign of intelligence. And if you do decide to shift to making humorous bits in the monty python way, I will keep being a suscriber (the nestle bit in the “who sponsors the Corbett report” was awesome!!). As always, excellent work. Agur!!
While I wholeheartedly agree with both John and Tunneller, I think that James hit the nail right on the head by saying:
“(Satire)…disarms people’s usual reaction.” This is why you shouldn’t just continue doing these purely satirical videos, but even make a conscious effort to integrate more and more satire into your other productions.
On this note, I do have a couple of suggestions:
1) Regarding the (amazing) feature-lenght documentaries: you could produce a 3-5 minutes satiric trailer which mimics the 9/11 conspiracy theory video (i.e. making fun of the “established history” or “dominant narrative” of say the FED or whatever).
2) Regarding your average 1hour podcast episodes: Since it already is your standard M.O. to start off by introducing the topic’s official narrative, why don’t you employ your creative side to make this introduction satirical..?
Of course, integrating satirical segments in your normal podcast episodes does pose the risk of pushing away that “sliver of a percentage point of the population that literally cannot understand humor”. On the other hand, this could be argued to be a rather normal manifestation of the “natural selection” process among your audience.
James, thank you. Please keep up the good work!
Good idea. And on that risk of repulsing that sliver; I say who needs them? I’d rather have one intelligent person on my side than ten thousand idiots. But that may just be me. JimBob who is allergic to stupid.