Interview 1158 – Joe Plummer Teaches Tragedy and Hope 101
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Clocking in at 1300 pages of small print text, Carroll Quigley’s seminal work, Tragedy and Hope, is an intimidating and weighty tome. Today we talk to Joe Plummer of JoePlummer.com about his guide to Quigley’s massive book. Available as a free e-book or as a paperback or kindle purchase and dubbed Tragedy and Hope 101, Plummer’s guide condenses, summarizes, explains and footnotes the highlights and lowlights of the text so you can understand the nature of the conspiratorial network that Quigley exposed and why this information is so important.
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For the Powers-That-Shouldn’t-Be, manipulating humanity is their equivalent of a computer war game. Amusement – that’s all.
Thanks for the introduction to Joe Plummer. I hadn’t heard of him. I will have to get his book and spare myself from six months of reading Quigley’s tome.
Very interesting.
One can get the entire book as a PDF online on
http://www.carrollquigley.net/books.htm
Important interview. Great that someone has made the info in ‘Tragedy and Hope’ accessible as, I have to admit, for me, reading Quigley’s book is just too daunting. That Mr. Plummer has made his book available online for free speaks well of his personal integrity and commitment to truth.
Great call, Brad. I couldn’t have put it better myself.
@James: Thank you as always for introducing us to other voices who, like yourself, are contributing time and energy towards the goal of sharing critical information and analysis in hopes to provide all of us with knowledge and thus a greater set of tools for illustrating the true nature of the way much of the social ills and the players most responsible for shaping the system which upholds the structures of power as they exist.
For my part I attempt to find a way to share this information with those within my immediate circles and I’d have to say that I’ve found the current United States election cycle a useful practical example for illustrating the fraudulent nature of the illusion of choice which is carefully managed and massaged into place through various forms of theatrics.
I stated before the election cycle when it seemed clear that Hillary Clinton was going to be the next chicken hawk in chief that I suspected this would be the case. I wasn’t sure who the contender was going to be but I’d say this in general: the specifics of the social aspects of the relative success of both Trump and Sanders aren’t entirely void of social context as a reflection of the mood of the American People. I don’t think it’s realistic to try to characterize either the elections here or other domestic or geopolitical issues as being entirely void of organic elements which create the elements of discourse which the PTsB then manipulate to fit their designs.
For example, I don’t think Trump was a predetermined election spectacle. It seems to me that he’s merely emerged as a useful tool for making Clinton, a really nasty unappealing hard line political insider with little appeal among the hope and change yearning Democrat leaning segment of the society seem more “progressive”, or at least less dangerous than a president Trump. Donald Trump has thrived in a spotlight where his “villain you love to hate” persona makes for great entertainment and politically superficial talking points for the “experts” at various networks to debate. Whether or not there will be some sort of socially engineered coup to remove Trump from the final showdown is anybody’s guess.
While I generally like much of what Sanders has to say, particularly his critique of the financial system, I feel that at this point the extent he’s been allowed to attain a certain level of success within the current political paradigm is mostly a matter of selling the illusion of an “organic” democratic process on one hand, while on the other, feeding the necessity of selling the public on the latest political gossip “news”. Let’s not forget that the election cycles are highly profitable for the various news outlets who thrive off the sorts of sound bites they’re provided with, which allow them to improvise and perhaps even throw in a few legitimately intelligent insights or talking points with the real virtuosos massaging these ideas into the public conscience and discourse.
In conclusion here, while this is a bleak outlook on my part, I think that it’s important to remember (as I often forget myself) that, just like the surveillance state and the agendas it’s been designed to serve, it’s important for those of us who have become more aware of the threats these structures impose on our capacity to live and think within a certain degree of freedom and autonomy (let alone with whatever degree of physical security and wellbeing we’ve been afforded in life) not to allow ourselves to fall into the despair, apathy, and helplessness that going along with a sober realization of the scope in which these structures impose. The moving pieces which form the semblance of the illusion of an organic exercise of free will or political participation aren’t entirely void of “organic” elements of ebb and flow.
Despite constant reminders that would lead me to believe otherwise, I do believe in the greater good of humanity and I do believe that, provided with opportunities to act freely outside of the power structures that uphold various levels of suffering and injustice for the majority of the population (of course to varying degrees), positive social change can occur in ways which the PTsB aren’t able to immediately disrupt and subvert. A greater knowledge of the truth on these matters provides all of us with a set of tools which we can put to use when an opportunity presents itself.
Amen @BennyB!
Really sound/profound thoughts here. I feel the same way. Though over the last 5 years or so since I “took the red pill”, I’ve had an increasingly dismal view of our world… There is still a deep (spiritual?) sense of hope that I can’t seem to shake. I do believe that even tho there is a very deep darkness, an evil that humanity is wrestling with, there also is a light, a goodness that is both within and without us if we are willing to grow in it and it’s “infectious”, transformative power. It is very important for us not to become apathetic and fatalistic, because that is exactly what the elite so desperately want (or expect from us).
I’m on my second reading of Tragedy & Hope; my first was a few years back and I feel like I’m a lot more grounded to sift out the gems from the page after page after page of blah blah blah hey guys I’m Carroll and I have total contempt for basically every culture not American, oddly enough including the British (though I am BFF w/ the British Empire paradoxically.) There’s more there of interest to me beyond the life and times of the Rhodes-Milner Cabal (like all the analysis that’s fallen flat on its face, for instance) – I feel like a truly first-rate, comprehensive critique of T&H has yet to be written.
On a lighter note, some great doppelgänger split screens there James. Is Mr Plummer trying to look like you or vice versa?
You brought up “the mentality” of the people in “the network”, but failed to mention (at least so far) that they are *psychopaths*, specifically.
They’re natural-born experts on the human psychology – they’re genetically wired to be able to manipulate us actual humans.
They know exactly what buttons to push, and when. They’re feeding us “inputs” that produce desired “outputs”, i.e. reactions, feelings, actions, changes/adjustments in our psyches etc.
They’re generally very much *evil* too.
That is the kind of mind that’s *willing* and able to do what “the network” has done. Psychos also have a tendency to be smarter than average, though of course there are dumb ones too. I bet the vast majority of the absolute most intelligent ~people in the world are psychopaths.
Not much more to say than: excellent conversation, thank you.
I’ve read Tragedy & Hope (except the Russian chapters – I couldn’t stay engaged with them as so much has changed since it was written) and I’ve ordered Joe Plummer’s primer.
I have to say that Quigley was an excellent historian and had a razor sharp mind – I enjoy reading his analyses very much. It is also very interesting to me, again, that “their” plans for us are just laid out plainly for all to see. Very much like ‘Brave New World’, we shouldn’t worry about a world where books are burnt, just a world where they lay unread on shelves.
If it turns out that life on earth did not come about by a series of accidents, I suspect that what did create life has a plan to overrule the evil T&H exposes. We must concentrate on living life according to correct principles, which CR can help us do. I agree that part of that is to be wise to the many corruptions and deceptions of today. But keep in mind they WILL be fully exposed and destroyed, as will anything corrupt we neglect to stop.
I hadn’t heard of Joe Plummer before either but I will be purchasing his book.
It seems that this material is closely related to what Patrick Wood, you James and Richard Grove have been speaking of. I would be interested in hearing a discussion between the before mentioned people.
Thank you James. Keep up the good work.
It took me two years to read T&H, but I’m glad I did. Most of it is indeed boring history stuff. Some of it is interesting history stuff, and then there are the gems (some are the size of several pages, some are only part of a sentence).
At any rate, T&H gives a lot of insight into the connections between history, economics, politics, culture, military and many more subjects.