Interview 1064 – The BFP Roundtable Tackles ISIS v. Al Qaeda
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via BoilingFrogsPost.com: On this episode we are joined by BFP contributors James Corbett and Christoph Germann for a discussion of the US Deep State’s role in creating ISIS, its evolution, and the possible end of Al Qaeda. The three of us explore the idea of “moderate” Al Qaeda members speaking out against ISIS, and their attempts to save the dying Al Qaeda brand. We also discuss how ISIS has changed the rules of terrorism by ushering in a new level of violence that is devoid of any real political ideology, touching on the notion that they are merely a place holder for some other new form of jihadi movement yet to emerge, and then finish off the conversation by looking at recent geopolitical developments in Central Asia and how these nations are dealing with the threat that ISIS presents.
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Pentagon report predicted West’s support for Islamist rebels would create ISIS
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Sorry guys, intending to post the full conversation but am doing it from the road and getting some technical errors. Will get it posted as soon as I can. In the meantime, BFP members can listen to the podcast by logging in at the BFP website:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015/07/02/bfp-roundtable-video-death-rebirth-the-end-of-al-qaeda-and-rise-of-isis/
The file has been fixed and should be playable now. Thank you for your patience.
Thanks for the upload, James. Enjoy your vacation and stay safe.
What Steebs said. Many thanks, James and enjoy your vacation.
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RE: Meme Value/Viability
Haven’t even waited ’til I’ve finished listening to this whole podcast – sorry for the bad form; hope I don’t just reiterate or worse (foot>mouth!).
Anyway, seems to me “al Qaeda” has become a current/potential meme-liability thanks to alternative media! Lots of people are now informed enough to wonder why Afghani/Mujahedeen fighters are in Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Iran, etc.? And also, for instance, why does John McCain regularly meet-up with these people for photo-ops?
While too many people are still not exposed to these facts (corporate media is strong), some people (a problematic and growing number “for the powers that shouldn’t be”) who WANT TO KNOW, HAVE heard of these facts. (Also, oddly, as always, many people seem just to not want to know – even after they are exposed to these facts – a statistically predictable, “human” response to cognitive dissonance in a 3-D political world.)
None-the-less, this new knowledge is more meme-baggage on top of the “original” baggage of al Qaeda’s origins and funding. Even the problem of legitimacy of the “War on Terror” (an opportunistic rollout of al Qaeda’s original mission) is naturally questionable – how could a “War on Terror” be reasonably fought in the real world without being self-destructive/unconstitutional/anti-civil-rights. The higher the political/social costs for this socially engineered program, the tighter the logic must hold to hold back societal push-back.
These contradictions and messy concepts/meme-structures encourage many to start thinking more consciously, instead of readily accepting the disinformation they are fed daily. Cognitive dissonance is ideally avoided as much as possible in false-meme constructions to avoid this effect.
So ISIS as a new incarnation incorporating various “new and improved” meme-elements. Most importantly, it should be noted that “State” is in the name!
Not just “State,” but “Islamic State” – hmmm! A nationalist, racist, xenophobic, virtual STATE! Might be convenient, huh? A little like the Soviet Union, that could present a credible/intelligible threat to other nation-states, with a stable identity with breadth and lasting power. In contrast ISIS is still only a virtual STATE – no specific land-identity as of yet – making it ideal as a pan-anti-Islamic applicability (remember “communism,” it HAD to be contained, wherever we might find it).
This represents an improved tool for the corporatist bankster-military-industrial-media complex to exploit for further military aggression and more false flags.
It’s the new improved brand with which to control destabilization programs.
I quite agree with your analysis on Al Qaeda VoltaicDude. I’d say they’re not just a liability but just plain old hat.
I really agree with your “Islamic State” name analysis and the connotation it holds with “State” offering a much more formidable and concrete enemy to fight, less nebulous than just terrorist factions…
I like Pearse Redmond’s idea that by juxtaposing the two Al Qaeda and/or the Taliban become “moderate” and even necessary for fighting the real baddies of IS alias ISIS aka ISIL, the Islamic Front and DAESH!
And anyhow, it just fits in with the Coke/Pepsi, Adidas/Nike, Microsoft/Apple, Left/Right, black/white binary mentality paradigm.
We needed the Islamic State for anti-trust reasons… so to speak…
Anti-trust! – I like it 😉
Check this out:
Corporate-captured PBS as mouthpiece for Big Brother:
FRONTLINE – Escaping ISIS – Coming July 14, 2015
Gripping, first-hand accounts of women who escaped the brutal reign of ISIS.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/escaping-isis/
Charlie Rose – Air Date 2/19/2015
Discussions about ISIS with Nasser Judeh, Sameh Shoukry, and Mike Morell
http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60520009
Of course, Charlie boy also works at CBS, William Paley’s old haunt.
http://newwrh.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.php#axzz3flzwXOxg
He’s also CFR.
Good Morning system-criticism from Friesland at the Northern German Coast.
The most important place from my viewpoint is Egypt – where the ISIS and destablelisation-concretisation-status changes the most – in the West we do not get news about that. Mursi sentenced to death is much more dangerous in Egypt with the now slaughtered 13 or more other muslimbrotherhood-leaders than the typical “category-name-game” if it is Al Quaida these days or ISIS tomorrow or whomever in future.
First I recommend a brand I follow for years now, you interviewed him some times – Ryan Dawson who recently made a huge balance-growth-step from my viewpoint when he analysed the stupid question of the confoderate-flag – which he got right and that as someone from the left – good content.
According to Egypt / ISIS and Syria he is very deeply
in that content -even if I might disagree – to discuss with him
makes sense also involving someone who challenges him.
Would be good to see Egypt forecast-discussed.
Am I right assuming Egypt slides into civil-war – more or least
fast now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85xYU6vb3Ro
Would be good to see this discussed.
Radical changes down there – the Saudis lost
their king, foreign minister, have a hawk in charge
and Whaleed the traveller-FOX-so-called-news-prince now
openly salutes Israel as a friendship-manager helping to deradicalise
muslims according ot “the jews” …..
So many news in Middle-East we do not put together
to a bigger picture and Syria is now also agoin on Obamas
chemical-weapon-war-reason-list – as they brought up that issue
in the UN again.
Thanks for good work
and educating – over many years now.
Hope you will always have ressources.
See you – Dieter from Germany.
Saudis are Jews. Read about the word one must not pronounce in the region, especially in Turkey…the Domneh.
FBI chief: ISIS bigger threat to U.S. than al Qaeda
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-chief-isis-bigger-threat-to-u-s-than-al-qaeda/
Comey’s on board! He should know right? He saw all their bank accounts while at HSBC…
I laughed a little because sometimes they’re all so pathetic liars that it makes me sad for them, I only envy their ill-gotten capital, at times.